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		<title>Comment on questions for Andrew Revkin&#8230; by hkyson</title>
		<link>http://chaspublic.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/questions-for-andrew-revkin/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>hkyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Climategate” started out when there appeared on the Internet a collection of e-mails of a group of climatologists who work in the University of East Anglia in England. These documents reveal that some climatologists of international preeminence have manipulated the data of their investigations and have strongly tried to discredit climatologists who are not convinced that the increasing quantities of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere are the cause of global warming.

It is true that a majority of the scientists who study climatic tendencies in our atmosphere have arrived at the conclusion that the world’s climate is changing, and they have convinced a group of politicians, some of whom are politically powerful, of the truth of their conclusions.

A minority, however, is skeptical. Some believe that recent data that suggest that the average temperature of the atmosphere is going up can be explained by natural variations in solar radiation and that global warming is a temporary phenomenon. Others believe that the historical evidence indicating that the temperature of the atmosphere is going up at a dangerous rate is simply not reliable.

Such lacks of agreement are common in the sciences. They are reduced and eventually eliminated with the accumulation of new evidence and of more refined theories or even by completely new ones. Such debates can persist for a period of decades. Academics often throw invective at one another in these debates. But typically this does not mean much.

But the case of climate change is different. If the evidence indicates that global warming is progressive, is caused principally by our industrial processes, and will probably cause disastrous changes in our atmosphere before the end of the twenty-first century, then we do not have the time to verify precisely if this evidence is reliable. Such a process would be a question of many years of new investigations. And if the alarmist climatologists are right, such a delay would be tragic for all humanity.

The difficulty is that economic and climatologic systems are very complicated. They are not like celestial mechanics, which involves only the interaction of gravity and centrifugal force, and efforts to construct computerized models to describe these complicated systems simply cannot include all the factors that are influential in the evolution of these complicated systems.

All this does not necessarily indicate that the alarmist climatologists are not right. But it really means that if global warming is occurring, we cannot know exactly what will be the average temperature of our atmosphere in the year 2100 and what will be the average sea level of the world’s ocean in that year.

It also means that we cannot be confident that efforts by the industrialized countries to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere will have a significant influence on the evolution of the world’s climate.

Alas, the reduction of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere would be very costly and would greatly change the lives of all the inhabitants of our planet--with the possibility (perhaps even the probability!) that all these efforts will be completely useless.

Harleigh Kyson Jr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Climategate” started out when there appeared on the Internet a collection of e-mails of a group of climatologists who work in the University of East Anglia in England. These documents reveal that some climatologists of international preeminence have manipulated the data of their investigations and have strongly tried to discredit climatologists who are not convinced that the increasing quantities of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere are the cause of global warming.</p>
<p>It is true that a majority of the scientists who study climatic tendencies in our atmosphere have arrived at the conclusion that the world’s climate is changing, and they have convinced a group of politicians, some of whom are politically powerful, of the truth of their conclusions.</p>
<p>A minority, however, is skeptical. Some believe that recent data that suggest that the average temperature of the atmosphere is going up can be explained by natural variations in solar radiation and that global warming is a temporary phenomenon. Others believe that the historical evidence indicating that the temperature of the atmosphere is going up at a dangerous rate is simply not reliable.</p>
<p>Such lacks of agreement are common in the sciences. They are reduced and eventually eliminated with the accumulation of new evidence and of more refined theories or even by completely new ones. Such debates can persist for a period of decades. Academics often throw invective at one another in these debates. But typically this does not mean much.</p>
<p>But the case of climate change is different. If the evidence indicates that global warming is progressive, is caused principally by our industrial processes, and will probably cause disastrous changes in our atmosphere before the end of the twenty-first century, then we do not have the time to verify precisely if this evidence is reliable. Such a process would be a question of many years of new investigations. And if the alarmist climatologists are right, such a delay would be tragic for all humanity.</p>
<p>The difficulty is that economic and climatologic systems are very complicated. They are not like celestial mechanics, which involves only the interaction of gravity and centrifugal force, and efforts to construct computerized models to describe these complicated systems simply cannot include all the factors that are influential in the evolution of these complicated systems.</p>
<p>All this does not necessarily indicate that the alarmist climatologists are not right. But it really means that if global warming is occurring, we cannot know exactly what will be the average temperature of our atmosphere in the year 2100 and what will be the average sea level of the world’s ocean in that year.</p>
<p>It also means that we cannot be confident that efforts by the industrialized countries to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere will have a significant influence on the evolution of the world’s climate.</p>
<p>Alas, the reduction of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere would be very costly and would greatly change the lives of all the inhabitants of our planet&#8211;with the possibility (perhaps even the probability!) that all these efforts will be completely useless.</p>
<p>Harleigh Kyson Jr.</p>
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		<title>Comment on questions for Andrew Revkin&#8230; by Charles Flemming</title>
		<link>http://chaspublic.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/questions-for-andrew-revkin/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Flemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Andrew. I noticed you said there were no &quot;smoking guns&quot; so far. It&#039;s fascinating to me that you have been quoted as saying “The weird thing about climate change is that there is no smoking gun.”

I&#039;m glad to hear you have some reporting going on into the primary sources themselves. I will try to keep up with your blog (and any articles I become aware of) and look forward to hearing your own impressions.

While I appreciate your obvious desire to be balanced and fair by presenting both sides&#039; views, I&#039;m anxious for the mainstream press (may I tease you with the label &quot;prestige press&quot;?) to get in front of this story.

Thanks again...
csf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Andrew. I noticed you said there were no &#8220;smoking guns&#8221; so far. It&#8217;s fascinating to me that you have been quoted as saying “The weird thing about climate change is that there is no smoking gun.”</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear you have some reporting going on into the primary sources themselves. I will try to keep up with your blog (and any articles I become aware of) and look forward to hearing your own impressions.</p>
<p>While I appreciate your obvious desire to be balanced and fair by presenting both sides&#8217; views, I&#8217;m anxious for the mainstream press (may I tease you with the label &#8220;prestige press&#8221;?) to get in front of this story.</p>
<p>Thanks again&#8230;<br />
csf</p>
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		<title>Comment on questions for Andrew Revkin&#8230; by Andy Revkin</title>
		<link>http://chaspublic.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/questions-for-andrew-revkin/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Revkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The data are discussed (harry read me file linked, in fact). I don&#039;t assume anything on origin of the files at this point. Way too soon, although the school has deemed it a &quot;criminal breach&quot; so that&#039;s what we say for now. If you or anyone else can demonstrate it&#039;s an insider, let me know. There are reasons to think so, but also reasons to think it&#039;s a mixed bag, at least, given involvement of a Saudi server at one stage and hack effort at realclimate.org, as well. I&#039;ve sent some of the data files /logs etc to some programmers, with mixed reactions and no &#039;smoking guns&#039; so far. There are legit arguments and counterarguments about many of the emails. And I&#039;ve been busy on the underlying issues for awhile: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/science/earth/04clima.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The data are discussed (harry read me file linked, in fact). I don&#8217;t assume anything on origin of the files at this point. Way too soon, although the school has deemed it a &#8220;criminal breach&#8221; so that&#8217;s what we say for now. If you or anyone else can demonstrate it&#8217;s an insider, let me know. There are reasons to think so, but also reasons to think it&#8217;s a mixed bag, at least, given involvement of a Saudi server at one stage and hack effort at realclimate.org, as well. I&#8217;ve sent some of the data files /logs etc to some programmers, with mixed reactions and no &#8217;smoking guns&#8217; so far. There are legit arguments and counterarguments about many of the emails. And I&#8217;ve been busy on the underlying issues for awhile: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/science/earth/04clima.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/science/earth/04clima.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on if you&#8217;re going to do opposition research&#8230; by Tweets that mention if you’re going to do opposition research… « thinking out loud . . . -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention if you’re going to do opposition research… « thinking out loud . . . -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Charles Flemming, Charles Flemming. Charles Flemming said: Here&#039;s my response: http://bit.ly/3YbwqY RT @thehotline: Holder decision catches parties in jam http://bit.ly/2Ybhr1 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Charles Flemming, Charles Flemming. Charles Flemming said: Here&#39;s my response: <a href="http://bit.ly/3YbwqY" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3YbwqY</a> RT @thehotline: Holder decision catches parties in jam <a href="http://bit.ly/2Ybhr1" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2Ybhr1</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on can we please just keep our facts straight? by are we about to descend into chaos? &#171; thinking out loud . . .</title>
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		<dc:creator>are we about to descend into chaos? &#171; thinking out loud . . .</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are the seemingly inevitable Jewish bankers conspiracies, which, when combined with a virulent (and willfully inaccurate) anti-Israel mindset, seems to me to look suspiciously like anti-semitism. The kind of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are the seemingly inevitable Jewish bankers conspiracies, which, when combined with a virulent (and willfully inaccurate) anti-Israel mindset, seems to me to look suspiciously like anti-semitism. The kind of [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on co-opting Christ&#8230; by are we about to descend into chaos? &#171; thinking out loud . . .</title>
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		<dc:creator>are we about to descend into chaos? &#171; thinking out loud . . .</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Not all, but a great many of them have posted and commented on the most outlandish theories of taxation, for instance. Some of them labeling all taxes as &#8220;theft.&#8221; Finding supposed loopholes in the 16th Amendment (an amendment, by the way, I would like to see repealed) or in the Tax Code itself. There is a huge network of hyper-libertarians and anarchists &#8220;educating&#8221; as many as they can on how to avoid tax liability and basically stick it to the revenooers. One Facebook friend of mine even posted a link to a booklet claiming that Christ himself was a tax-dodger! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Not all, but a great many of them have posted and commented on the most outlandish theories of taxation, for instance. Some of them labeling all taxes as &#8220;theft.&#8221; Finding supposed loopholes in the 16th Amendment (an amendment, by the way, I would like to see repealed) or in the Tax Code itself. There is a huge network of hyper-libertarians and anarchists &#8220;educating&#8221; as many as they can on how to avoid tax liability and basically stick it to the revenooers. One Facebook friend of mine even posted a link to a booklet claiming that Christ himself was a tax-dodger! [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on there is no law? by are we about to descend into chaos? &#171; thinking out loud . . .</title>
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		<dc:creator>are we about to descend into chaos? &#171; thinking out loud . . .</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] loopholes in the 16th Amendment (an amendment, by the way, I would like to see repealed) or in the Tax Code itself. There is a huge network of hyper-libertarians and anarchists &#8220;educating&#8221; as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] loopholes in the 16th Amendment (an amendment, by the way, I would like to see repealed) or in the Tax Code itself. There is a huge network of hyper-libertarians and anarchists &#8220;educating&#8221; as [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on go away, Colin, you&#8217;re a pest&#8230; by Charles Flemming</title>
		<link>http://chaspublic.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/go-away-colin-youre-a-pest/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Flemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are four ways one may cooperate with a party:

	As a voter.
	As an evangelist.
	As a contributor of time and/or money.
	As a public influencer (whether as an official, a pundit, or a critic).

Additionally, but in an at least slightly different way, one can be a candidate. General Powell is attempting to be a public influencer. Whether right or wrong, the people who, together, influence the actual direction of the party are going to buy into or reject his advice based on far more than the actual validity of his argument. This is as true of Democrats as it is of Republicans.

Personally? If Powell had remained quiet during the election, and especially if he had actually supported the ticket, he would have far more clout than he has now to bring his brand of reform. Then, I would argue for or against his point.

As it is, there are three kinds of people whose &quot;help&quot; I&#039;m not interested in having my party receive. Democrats. Liberal or &quot;moderate&quot; journalists. Stab-in-the-back Republicans. General Powell falls in the latter category.

Remember, Republicans—against my deepest wishes—nominated the exact kind of candidate Powell now claims to support. Instead, he voted for—and publicly endorsed—a candidate almost certainly guaranteed to move the country toward socialism.

And that, big tent or not, is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; what the Republican Party stands for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are four ways one may cooperate with a party:</p>
<p>	As a voter.<br />
	As an evangelist.<br />
	As a contributor of time and/or money.<br />
	As a public influencer (whether as an official, a pundit, or a critic).</p>
<p>Additionally, but in an at least slightly different way, one can be a candidate. General Powell is attempting to be a public influencer. Whether right or wrong, the people who, together, influence the actual direction of the party are going to buy into or reject his advice based on far more than the actual validity of his argument. This is as true of Democrats as it is of Republicans.</p>
<p>Personally? If Powell had remained quiet during the election, and especially if he had actually supported the ticket, he would have far more clout than he has now to bring his brand of reform. Then, I would argue for or against his point.</p>
<p>As it is, there are three kinds of people whose &#8220;help&#8221; I&#8217;m not interested in having my party receive. Democrats. Liberal or &#8220;moderate&#8221; journalists. Stab-in-the-back Republicans. General Powell falls in the latter category.</p>
<p>Remember, Republicans—against my deepest wishes—nominated the exact kind of candidate Powell now claims to support. Instead, he voted for—and publicly endorsed—a candidate almost certainly guaranteed to move the country toward socialism.</p>
<p>And that, big tent or not, is <em>not</em> what the Republican Party stands for.</p>
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		<title>Comment on go away, Colin, you&#8217;re a pest&#8230; by John</title>
		<link>http://chaspublic.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/go-away-colin-youre-a-pest/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it be then, that by implication one cannot honestly disagree with his party as to the fitness of it&#039;s candidate and/or platform?  Is party and ideology to trump all other considerations?  Really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be then, that by implication one cannot honestly disagree with his party as to the fitness of it&#8217;s candidate and/or platform?  Is party and ideology to trump all other considerations?  Really?</p>
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		<title>Comment on go away, Colin, you&#8217;re a pest&#8230; by Charles Flemming</title>
		<link>http://chaspublic.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/go-away-colin-youre-a-pest/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Flemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 03:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a word: Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a word: Yes.</p>
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